So, I got to play a bit last night with a new guy off of sniffies, which despite it's inherent awfulness does seem to be a forum where one can pitch the esoteric and maybe actually get someone interested, and it's once again got me reflecting on what is important in a scissor scene. Now, I understand what is important to me may not be what's important to you and I would love for this to become an open discussion on that so comment away!
Ok, so one of my ribs did end up sprained or a little cartilage damage and part of me has similar feelings about it as I do to rope bruises with bondage or single tail scars in that it becomes a bit of a memento of a good time. Obviously if I were doing BJJ or wrestling right now such an injury would bench me but seeing as I'm already benched from a knee injury I'm not so upset about it.
If I could give this guy feedback it would be that he is a genuinely nice guy and because he thought this might be hot in the moment rather than this being an ongoing kink for him there wasn't really an off switch for his niceness. Now there was certainly some power to his legs and he could maintain it pretty well but at the same time there was a sameness to each squeeze. There wasn't a drive to get a response out of me.
I'm not a huge fan of trash talk but when I think about people like ribcrusher, he's very chatty when he's crushing you and it's part of HIS thing. I think that's the kicker there: it's HIS thing. He's not squeezing you because he thinks you like it and it might be a hot thing to do, he is there to do HIS thing. RNC23 wants to see you tap fast because that's HIS thing. If I'm topping a person I want to slowly get tighter and tighter and I want to see the person struggle, I want to see panic, I want to see them gasp for air because that slow, unrelenting constriction like a snake is my thing. A good top is there to fulfill his own desires within the scene, a great top can make those desires line up with his sub's own desires.
One thing which I think is lacking in this last scene and some of my others from the past is a lack of continuity of suffering. Last night I had long squeezes which lasted minutes followed by release and several minutes of talking which is partly one of the realities of this kind of play, for most people the legs will fatigue, lose power and the top will have to do something less taxing, hopefully something which doesn't give rest to the sub. A few things I do is I will utilize knee ride (aka knee on belly in some bjj schools) to keep my sub under pressure while I recuperate. If I want them to stay between my legs I will switch to some kind of scorpion crunch technique (carefully applied of course) to allow me to maintain force without relying on my legs as much. If a person is heavy enough sometimes scarf hold or switchbase can maintain pressure. Sometimes switching to a bearhug. Hell, maybe I put my sub in a tight lifting belt before I start squeezing so that when I let up the belt keeps them under pressure (haven't tried that yet).
For me one of the key goals is to get the sub, especially if it's me, into a hypoxic, panicked state. The guy last night wanted to see if he could make me pass out, I still don't think he can, at least not from scissors alone. Honestly, the idea turns me on but I'm not sure how realistic it is. With Ribcrusher's style of ground bearhug, probably, but I think to get there with scissors requires one to play the long game and that requires careful conservation of energy. Using body triangles which can create tightness without quad dependence in between straight scissors which are almost all quad work. Taking a break and going to a harsh knee ride or even a headscissor where you're just holding but you are pressing the nose and mouth into your groin so the sub cannot breathe (omg HOT!!!!).
I think constructing a good scissor scene is not so different from constructing a good bdsm scene of any nature. The top and bottom have to be in sync in some way or another whether that is mutual attraction, which is hard to come by with such a rare and esoteric kink, through Dom/sub energy, taunting, sadism, etc and I have found it somewhat challenging to find a perfect balance which is part of why I'm writing this post. We are such a tiny community with this kink that I feel like we need to be more vocal about what works for us, what doesn't, why we do it, what modifications we can find to be more effective, which exercises make us stronger, etc. Is strength key or is it endurance? Anyone want to start a study where we take different kinds of athletes and test their scissor potential? Personally I hope that more people get into it in the coming years and there is more dialogue about it.
And I will close with a criticism of one of the channels I follow on Watch Fighters. As much as I love that Elliot is doing a lot of scissor matches and scenes I find them unwatchable for jerk material despite their scissors being real unlike most wrestling porn sites where they don't even try to make it look real. With Elliot and co there is a lack of sincerity to their scenes. The squeeze, groan, and giggle. Personally I want to see more people who are actually participating in a D/s scene where the sub wants to suffer and the Dom wants to torture. Yes, when my knee heals I would love to top for these kinds of scenes, and obviously I would love to bottom to it. I want to see more people looking to challenge and be challenged by the scene.
Anyway, those are my thoughts of the day, let's get a great conversation going. Agree, disagree, I don't care but I want to know what motivates and drives you, what you wish to do to someone, what you want done to you. Being more vocal and active is how we build community and how we not only get better but we find people who share our views and talents. Thanks guys, I look forward to what you have to say!
yea ChrisWrestling is very right in my style / fun. For me when doing just fun submission matches both guys tend to keep the match fun by tossing in a bunch of trash talk, but once you got them lock in a good squeeze, so many many times the guy is doing everything he can to flex and hold off the pressure and as such he is not talking given he would lose air, so I tend to ask them stuff like "is it tight enough" or "how you feeling" knowing full well they do not have the air to talk, just say man talk about getting some evil looks out of guys!!–lol But think each guy finds fun in there own way. I to have been thinking to use like some sort of squeeze device to add some pressure and then lock my own quads around them, for sure could keep pressure up for so much longer and depending on how tight started with, very sure could easy make a guy very light headed from the pressure! I will just say if one thing I have found out about guys like Chirs, man when a guy enjoys the feeling of getting crushed, it takes so much more pressure than just your normal guy to get them to the point they are suffering from the pressure!!---lol
Yes, indeed we are a fairly small group who enjoy torturing mainly with scissors, and supplementing with other holds ... and suffering the same. And yet, when we get physically down to doing it, our different ways and methods of doing things sometimes make us feel so incompatible ... not quite satisfying what we thought we wanted. Sometimes we get closer. What a treat when things are somewhat compatible. Interesting, eh? So close, yet so far still, at times. So we keep trying, and that's good.
You do come up with good ideas to try. I like your idea of the tight weight lifter belt that stays on throughout, that sustains a base pressure and that you can increase up from using your legs as desire directs you. Fits in with the snake's relentless pressure, and adding more as time goes on.
I was thinking of smilar to do with a head scissor using a lace up leather hood ... the hood gives the base pressure, the scissors gives the extra, could even take up any slack in the lacing after an hour or so just slowly bring up the intensity further ... and even adding some bondage to the situation depending ...
But then there are those limits that some have an interest, under the right circumstances to cross ... hard to know with each person, every one is different, depends on moods even, etc ... on rare occassions you do find yourself going throught a limit, which I always found a great surprise, and a sort of pleasure (lots of pain involved but perception of it alters). And then there are the other times, when we must not cross those limits.
And with many, I'm sure lack of experience also plays a big role ... whether he's afraid to use more pressure, or only uses a scissors one way, or whatever ... practice is required.
After reading this I'd love to see your Dom side. Love the idea of being made to suffer all choices taken from my hands aside from beg for mercy and tap out in hopes I get mercy secretly wanting more body and head scissors and triangles. The idea of being a play toy to crush and squeeze to pass out and no mercy is HOT!
ChrisWrestling (38 )
9/28/2023 2:01 AMSo, I got to play a bit last night with a new guy off of sniffies, which despite it's inherent awfulness does seem to be a forum where one can pitch the esoteric and maybe actually get someone interested, and it's once again got me reflecting on what is important in a scissor scene. Now, I understand what is important to me may not be what's important to you and I would love for this to become an open discussion on that so comment away!
Ok, so one of my ribs did end up sprained or a little cartilage damage and part of me has similar feelings about it as I do to rope bruises with bondage or single tail scars in that it becomes a bit of a memento of a good time. Obviously if I were doing BJJ or wrestling right now such an injury would bench me but seeing as I'm already benched from a knee injury I'm not so upset about it.
If I could give this guy feedback it would be that he is a genuinely nice guy and because he thought this might be hot in the moment rather than this being an ongoing kink for him there wasn't really an off switch for his niceness. Now there was certainly some power to his legs and he could maintain it pretty well but at the same time there was a sameness to each squeeze. There wasn't a drive to get a response out of me.
I'm not a huge fan of trash talk but when I think about people like ribcrusher, he's very chatty when he's crushing you and it's part of HIS thing. I think that's the kicker there: it's HIS thing. He's not squeezing you because he thinks you like it and it might be a hot thing to do, he is there to do HIS thing. RNC23 wants to see you tap fast because that's HIS thing. If I'm topping a person I want to slowly get tighter and tighter and I want to see the person struggle, I want to see panic, I want to see them gasp for air because that slow, unrelenting constriction like a snake is my thing. A good top is there to fulfill his own desires within the scene, a great top can make those desires line up with his sub's own desires.
One thing which I think is lacking in this last scene and some of my others from the past is a lack of continuity of suffering. Last night I had long squeezes which lasted minutes followed by release and several minutes of talking which is partly one of the realities of this kind of play, for most people the legs will fatigue, lose power and the top will have to do something less taxing, hopefully something which doesn't give rest to the sub. A few things I do is I will utilize knee ride (aka knee on belly in some bjj schools) to keep my sub under pressure while I recuperate. If I want them to stay between my legs I will switch to some kind of scorpion crunch technique (carefully applied of course) to allow me to maintain force without relying on my legs as much. If a person is heavy enough sometimes scarf hold or switchbase can maintain pressure. Sometimes switching to a bearhug. Hell, maybe I put my sub in a tight lifting belt before I start squeezing so that when I let up the belt keeps them under pressure (haven't tried that yet).
For me one of the key goals is to get the sub, especially if it's me, into a hypoxic, panicked state. The guy last night wanted to see if he could make me pass out, I still don't think he can, at least not from scissors alone. Honestly, the idea turns me on but I'm not sure how realistic it is. With Ribcrusher's style of ground bearhug, probably, but I think to get there with scissors requires one to play the long game and that requires careful conservation of energy. Using body triangles which can create tightness without quad dependence in between straight scissors which are almost all quad work. Taking a break and going to a harsh knee ride or even a headscissor where you're just holding but you are pressing the nose and mouth into your groin so the sub cannot breathe (omg HOT!!!!).
I think constructing a good scissor scene is not so different from constructing a good bdsm scene of any nature. The top and bottom have to be in sync in some way or another whether that is mutual attraction, which is hard to come by with such a rare and esoteric kink, through Dom/sub energy, taunting, sadism, etc and I have found it somewhat challenging to find a perfect balance which is part of why I'm writing this post. We are such a tiny community with this kink that I feel like we need to be more vocal about what works for us, what doesn't, why we do it, what modifications we can find to be more effective, which exercises make us stronger, etc. Is strength key or is it endurance? Anyone want to start a study where we take different kinds of athletes and test their scissor potential? Personally I hope that more people get into it in the coming years and there is more dialogue about it.
And I will close with a criticism of one of the channels I follow on Watch Fighters. As much as I love that Elliot is doing a lot of scissor matches and scenes I find them unwatchable for jerk material despite their scissors being real unlike most wrestling porn sites where they don't even try to make it look real. With Elliot and co there is a lack of sincerity to their scenes. The squeeze, groan, and giggle. Personally I want to see more people who are actually participating in a D/s scene where the sub wants to suffer and the Dom wants to torture. Yes, when my knee heals I would love to top for these kinds of scenes, and obviously I would love to bottom to it. I want to see more people looking to challenge and be challenged by the scene.
Anyway, those are my thoughts of the day, let's get a great conversation going. Agree, disagree, I don't care but I want to know what motivates and drives you, what you wish to do to someone, what you want done to you. Being more vocal and active is how we build community and how we not only get better but we find people who share our views and talents. Thanks guys, I look forward to what you have to say!
ribcrusher (28)
10/31/2023 6:34 PM(In reply to this)
yea ChrisWrestling is very right in my style / fun. For me when doing just fun submission matches both guys tend to keep the match fun by tossing in a bunch of trash talk, but once you got them lock in a good squeeze, so many many times the guy is doing everything he can to flex and hold off the pressure and as such he is not talking given he would lose air, so I tend to ask them stuff like "is it tight enough" or "how you feeling" knowing full well they do not have the air to talk, just say man talk about getting some evil looks out of guys!!–lol But think each guy finds fun in there own way. I to have been thinking to use like some sort of squeeze device to add some pressure and then lock my own quads around them, for sure could keep pressure up for so much longer and depending on how tight started with, very sure could easy make a guy very light headed from the pressure! I will just say if one thing I have found out about guys like Chirs, man when a guy enjoys the feeling of getting crushed, it takes so much more pressure than just your normal guy to get them to the point they are suffering from the pressure!!---lol
Liao51 (0)
11/03/2023 2:45 AM(In reply to this)
Am I the only one that thinks it’s completely unfair for ribcrusher to add anything to his scissors? Haha!
skweezhard (7 )
9/29/2023 3:40 PM(In reply to this)
Yes, indeed we are a fairly small group who enjoy torturing mainly with scissors, and supplementing with other holds ... and suffering the same. And yet, when we get physically down to doing it, our different ways and methods of doing things sometimes make us feel so incompatible ... not quite satisfying what we thought we wanted. Sometimes we get closer. What a treat when things are somewhat compatible. Interesting, eh? So close, yet so far still, at times. So we keep trying, and that's good.
You do come up with good ideas to try. I like your idea of the tight weight lifter belt that stays on throughout, that sustains a base pressure and that you can increase up from using your legs as desire directs you. Fits in with the snake's relentless pressure, and adding more as time goes on.
I was thinking of smilar to do with a head scissor using a lace up leather hood ... the hood gives the base pressure, the scissors gives the extra, could even take up any slack in the lacing after an hour or so just slowly bring up the intensity further ... and even adding some bondage to the situation depending ...
But then there are those limits that some have an interest, under the right circumstances to cross ... hard to know with each person, every one is different, depends on moods even, etc ... on rare occassions you do find yourself going throught a limit, which I always found a great surprise, and a sort of pleasure (lots of pain involved but perception of it alters). And then there are the other times, when we must not cross those limits.
And with many, I'm sure lack of experience also plays a big role ... whether he's afraid to use more pressure, or only uses a scissors one way, or whatever ... practice is required.
wrestler noob (0 )
9/28/2023 6:47 AM(In reply to this)
After reading this I'd love to see your Dom side. Love the idea of being made to suffer all choices taken from my hands aside from beg for mercy and tap out in hopes I get mercy secretly wanting more body and head scissors and triangles. The idea of being a play toy to crush and squeeze to pass out and no mercy is HOT!